tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post4081834494411910713..comments2024-01-02T10:55:10.607-06:00Comments on Angry Astronomer: Beyond ElevatorgateJon Voiseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11550625188837528980noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-23627363465266249972012-06-19T00:50:53.729-05:002012-06-19T00:50:53.729-05:00Very true that it's hard to respond to a group...Very true that it's hard to respond to a group with many POV's. Dawkins faced this with "God Delusion" in which the most common response is just that: Calling it a strawman because you don't want to be associated.<br /><br />But just as Dawkins looks at the mainstream attitudes, the ones that surveys show are the largest majority, so too should we be looking at the comments of the leaders of this conversation: Rebecca, Jen, PZ, and Elyse. Railing at them and then suddenly switching to someone else so you can avoid getting your strawman getting called out is moving the goalposts. Pick your fallacy. Either way, there's logical flaws.Jon Voiseyhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=16820455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-91678888114517898982012-06-18T21:39:15.521-05:002012-06-18T21:39:15.521-05:00Since there are many voices responding to this dis...Since there are many voices responding to this discussion, it's not entirely fair to categorize many pro-TAM-is-safe comments as straw-man. While some of the complaints about harassment are generalized, there are quite a few comments from those who have never attended TAM who actually believe that misogyny and disrespect toward women is rampant at TAM. To them, I say that, aside from the anomalous report, TAM is a safe and respectful environment. It's hard to argue a point against multiple POVs without being accused of straw-man by somebody. America's favorite fallacy.Ticktockhttp://skepticfamily.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-32635742227621944502012-06-18T15:42:33.317-05:002012-06-18T15:42:33.317-05:00Excellent post, Jon. I wonder how long the trivial...Excellent post, Jon. I wonder how long the trivializing and straw-man arguments will persist in this arena?Emily Dietlehttp://twitter.com/emilyhasbooksnoreply@blogger.com