tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post5143907258318506663..comments2024-01-02T10:55:10.607-06:00Comments on Angry Astronomer: Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are LiarsJon Voiseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11550625188837528980noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-63064123876188954422011-05-10T18:28:16.911-05:002011-05-10T18:28:16.911-05:00Speculation like that made by Anon and Daniel need...Speculation like that made by Anon and Daniel needs to be backed up scientifically for it to be accepted by the scientific community. Since they have no way of doing so, their comments are meaningless. Once again, "What created the cave? and the water? and the rock?" they're using the God of the Gaps argument all over again, but scientific analysis will be able to prove the processes by which this has taken place, if it hasn't already.FS3Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-38808510399060377712011-05-10T18:28:16.384-05:002011-05-10T18:28:16.384-05:00IM not an atheist but the arguments used by creati...IM not an atheist but the arguments used by creationists are only good (if they are any good) to prove a deist type of god -not a personal godizzyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14611397448380972546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-13027215647159990162010-12-13T17:19:48.909-06:002010-12-13T17:19:48.909-06:00IM not an atheist but the arguments used by creati...IM not an atheist but the arguments used by creationists are only good (if they are any good) to prove a deist type of god -not a personal godizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14611397448380972546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-40082223716886525062009-09-23T13:40:38.556-05:002009-09-23T13:40:38.556-05:00You can't build something with faith alone. Y...You can't build something with faith alone. You CAN build something with science. <br /><br />Faith is not quite as useful for making things as empirical knowledge. <br /><br />It's amazing how ignorant most people are as to what the scientific method really is and how it works. <br /><br />It's quite simple: science is based on empirical observation, and proof by experimentation and independent corroboration. <br /><br />Religions can't agree on anything because faith has no means of corroboration. <br /><br />How dangerous is it for people to be told they should believe something blindly? <br /><br />Anecdotal claims of direct knowledge of god can be distinguished from hallucination how, exactly? <br /><br />"Oh, I just KNOW"<br /><br />The biggest irony, of course, is that these people who claim faith is useful are promulgating their beliefs on computers and devices created not by faith but by science. <br /><br />The battle is already lost, people. Church vs. Galileo. The earth is not the center of the universe no matter how many blasphemers you murder.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06924374080638524966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-91792903962387656992009-06-09T13:48:10.403-05:002009-06-09T13:48:10.403-05:00Faith doesn't require proof.
Obviously. Which...<i>Faith doesn't require proof.</i><br /><br />Obviously. Which is why it's so hollow.Jon Voiseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11550625188837528980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-69891693042774404692009-06-09T12:28:33.805-05:002009-06-09T12:28:33.805-05:00God created the laws of nature that atheists use t...God created the laws of nature that atheists use to disprove the existence of God. Pretty devious, I know. But there is an underlying purpose.<br />Faith doesn't require proof.<br />Proof doesn't disprove anything.<br />Belief is all the evidence anyone needs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-58634115110620755762008-02-09T06:37:00.000-06:002008-02-09T06:37:00.000-06:00Speculation like that made by Anon and Daniel need...Speculation like that made by Anon and Daniel needs to be backed up scientifically for it to be accepted by the scientific community. Since they have no way of doing so, their comments are meaningless. Once again, "What created the cave? and the water? and the rock?" they're using the God of the Gaps argument all over again, but scientific analysis will be able to prove the processes by which this has taken place, if it hasn't already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-47117549470893365802007-06-07T19:15:00.000-05:002007-06-07T19:15:00.000-05:00Pure speculation.Keep swinging.Pure speculation.<BR/><BR/>Keep swinging.Jon Voiseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11550625188837528980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-16584665742468073052007-06-07T18:15:00.000-05:002007-06-07T18:15:00.000-05:00You can't get a cave with no water there or rock, ...You can't get a cave with no water there or rock, so to make the cave you do need a designer. 1. For the water to be made. And 2. For the rock to be made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-34744977618045792432007-06-07T10:32:00.000-05:002007-06-07T10:32:00.000-05:00Daniel: Your post makes it quite clear you have no...<B>Daniel</B>: Your post makes it quite clear you have no clue what the law<I>s</I> of thermodynamics actually state.<BR/><BR/>I'm familiar with both them and abiogenesis. The former pose absolutely no problem for evolution when you actually understand what they say and not some creationist strawman version. Abiogenesis, while certainly not complete is still the single best theory supported by factual evidence rather than superstition.<BR/><BR/>And thanks for the bible passage, but I have read it. I've read the whole bible in fact. It's always failed to impress.<BR/><BR/><B>Anon</B>: Your entire comment is an argument from ignorance. I'm well aware that Ray and Kirk weren't just talking about humans, but they, and you, selectively choose what they want to look at for design. If you choose a cave and single that out, it doesn't need a designer.<BR/><BR/>In fact, there's <I>nothing</I> that clearly <I>needs</I> a designer. In the end, it all boils down to just another cave.Jon Voiseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11550625188837528980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-67235467881216817772007-06-06T23:37:00.000-05:002007-06-06T23:37:00.000-05:00I want to get to the point of your saying about th...I want to get to the point of your saying about the cave. When he talks about creation, he isn't just talking about humans. He is also talking about the rock ( your cave ), and they chemicals made to create water to make it into a cave. He is also talking about creation of the atmosphere. The atmosphere the outer layer or whatever keeps the oxygen on the earth, from escaping. How would that form by itself if given no physics to make it mold that way? Also if it had physics how could it tell itself to make those certain physics to hold itself in place? Does it have some kind of conscieneness? And if so how did it gain conscieneness? And where did it get the knowelege before us humans? How does a big bang or expansion happen without creation of the atoms to do it? If you have a germ where does it come from if it wasn't created? So therefore if there is any kind of creation at all there has to be a creator. Or else how did you get here? The molecules in your moms body didn't create it's own physics or it's own conscieness to know how to make you. Something had to give it directions, and there is only one thing that can command something to do that. That is GOD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-31966551863029946832007-05-28T16:18:00.000-05:002007-05-28T16:18:00.000-05:00Unless atheists repent they will burn forever and ...Unless atheists repent they will burn forever and ever. I love you enough to tell you that and will tell you and anyone else that again as many times as needed even on a dark alley in the ghetto! You know GOD exists research the law of thermodynamics and abiogensis there is no way to deny it! Read 2 Peter chapter 3. Later.DanielPalmquisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07588402325801654775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-55812553788519463052007-05-14T09:29:00.000-05:002007-05-14T09:29:00.000-05:00Thus, if we're truly going to follow the logic thr...<I>Thus, if we're truly going to follow the logic through, we must conclude that the universe was created by a human. Not God. </I><BR/><BR/>Which is entirely true. I know, because i created the Universe. Here's how it went down. I defined the Universe as this really, really perfect playground to watch things happen. Now, a really perfect place that didn't exist wouldn't be very cool. And <B>BOOM</B> (sounds more dramatic than <B>EXPAND</B>), there it was.<BR/><BR/>I've been watching it evolve for quite awhile now, waiting for intelligent life to form. I expect it will be a bit longer before it happens.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03934169832326108710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25327006.post-87624143896246893192007-05-14T08:23:00.000-05:002007-05-14T08:23:00.000-05:00What really got me watching this was that, of all ...What really got me watching this was that, of all the people on stage, "Kelly" was the only one lacking a last name.mollishkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16056975190057844089noreply@blogger.com