Sunday, March 23, 2008

Well that's just stupid...

Awhile ago, I blogged about a judge that let a felon using stolen credit cards, get out of jail time because he knew Pslam 23.

Now, we have a judge letting someone guilty of murder, attempted murder, domestic assault, and drug trafficking out of of prison if he goes to church once a week for 2 months.

I have nothing against counseling services being offered by churches so long as they're secular if the government is forcing people to go to them. But going to explicitly religious services as a court requirement? Well that's just stupid.

Especially in light of the fact that prison ministries that are mandatory have been ruled unconstitutional.

7 comments:

double2 said...

I wanted to ask you a question, but not in the high traffic area that we've been dialoguing.

In my last post, I said that I have not had contact with people who so adamantly believe there is no God. Esp. someone as well read as you say you are in our literature.

This is pure curiosity. What is the hang up? What part of God's story doesn't make sense?

Thanks for indulging me :)

Anonymous said...

double2, you're challenging Jon to prove a negative of your choosing.

I have not had contact with people who so adamanatly believe there is no logic or empirical basis for reality. What is the hang up? What part of logic doesn't make sense?

Jon Voisey said...

What is the hang up? What part of God's story doesn't make sense?

It's not a matter of making "sense". The bible is so amazingly vague on most topics that you can rationalize it to make "sense". Hence the number of Christian sects.

What it comes down to is an absolute lack of any sort of evidence for any of the supernatural claims. While I hold that there are some historical truths in the bible, this in no way lends credibility to other claims, especially those invoking magical powers.

I suppose you could say these are the claims the bible makes that make no sense: Someone walking on water, feeding scores of people with a loaf of bread, turning water into wine, healing lepers.... And those are just the things attributed to Jesus that, to me, are no more real than the tasks performed by King Arthur. Similarly, the claims that a supernatural eternal man decided to spontaneously create a universe is also beyond credibility.

For me, and other atheists, the default position is skepticism. This sounds strange until you realize that you do this for all sorts of things; I seriously doubt you believe in unicorns given the dearth of evidence.

As the quote goes, "A theist is someone who rejects every god besides their own. An atheist is someone who doesn't make an exception for the last one."

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Anonymous said...

Religious preferences are not the point. The point is that these rulings are unconstitutional.

Furthermore, going to church or hiding under the guise of a good Christian, Catholic, whatever, doesn't make you a good person.

These rulings are ridiculous.

Jon Voisey said...

What is the hang up? What part of God's story doesn't make sense?

It's not a matter of making "sense". The bible is so amazingly vague on most topics that you can rationalize it to make "sense". Hence the number of Christian sects.

What it comes down to is an absolute lack of any sort of evidence for any of the supernatural claims. While I hold that there are some historical truths in the bible, this in no way lends credibility to other claims, especially those invoking magical powers.

I suppose you could say these are the claims the bible makes that make no sense: Someone walking on water, feeding scores of people with a loaf of bread, turning water into wine, healing lepers.... And those are just the things attributed to Jesus that, to me, are no more real than the tasks performed by King Arthur. Similarly, the claims that a supernatural eternal man decided to spontaneously create a universe is also beyond credibility.

For me, and other atheists, the default position is skepticism. This sounds strange until you realize that you do this for all sorts of things; I seriously doubt you believe in unicorns given the dearth of evidence.

As the quote goes, "A theist is someone who rejects every god besides their own. An atheist is someone who doesn't make an exception for the last one."

double2 said...

I wanted to ask you a question, but not in the high traffic area that we've been dialoguing.

In my last post, I said that I have not had contact with people who so adamantly believe there is no God. Esp. someone as well read as you say you are in our literature.

This is pure curiosity. What is the hang up? What part of God's story doesn't make sense?

Thanks for indulging me :)