Some crazy creationist is making silly claims in the comments on this old thread. He's getting spanked pretty bad for not having read my intro to astronomy series.
So grab some popcorn and go point and laugh.
About Me
- Jon Voisey
- St Louis, MO, United States
- Jon Voisey is an Astronomy graduate from the University of Kansas on a mission to bring science to the masses.
19 comments:
*yawn*
But thank you for the enlightening replies (dunno why you bother to be honest).
I have a baffling creo friend, who I think I'll point in the direction of those Youtubes about astronomical distances if I get an 'in'. Perhaps that'll help towards getting her to appreciate deep time.
Yeesh! Despite your "angry" title you do have a mighty bit of patience.
I tried to join the fray with what was possibly the longest comment I have ever written. Is it coming through?
Hi, I just found this blog via Bad Astronomy. The 'stellar evolution' post was great, looking forward to more. You sciency guys are my favoritest people.
And a Scadian, too! I am sad to not be at Pennsic this year.
Hey! Nice posting. I found you site via Bad Astronomer. I like your writing style. Great work!
How entertaining. You certainly did seem quite patient with him. I found your blog via Bad Astronomy...though I have stopped by here before. Will frequent from now on, though!
Genesis Young Earth Creation:
1:1 God creates all the mass in the universe, time and space, empirically creates all the Laws of Physics and Chemistry. God puts all the planets, stars, and galaxies into orbital motion, and He spreads the universe out at an ongoing rate.
1:2 God’s masterpiece is the Earth, which has enough thermal energy and just the right atmospheric pressure to be covered by liquid water at this time.
1:3 Here, God created the first electromagnetic radiation. This is the cosmic background radiation emanating from all the hot masses caused during the creation process.
1:4-5 With no atmosphere yet, the Earth was initially bombarded by high frequency EM radiation emanating from all the hot bodies in the Milky Way galaxy. Being on the outskirts of the galaxy, however, the Earth was light on one side and dark on the other.
1:6-8 By rapidly heating up the temperature of the Earth, God caused a gaseous atmosphere to surround the Earth in 24 hours.
1:9-13 God caused molten magma to buoyantly rise to the surface of the Earth. Then God cooled the land by convection by using wind currents. Next God intelligently designs the irreducible plant species of grasses, herbs, fruit trees, and all the other initial plants which may have evolved or adapted since then.
1:14-19 At this time, God ignites all of the stars in the universe in a fusion reaction. While Earth is now being protected from high frequency EM radiation by its atmosphere, optical, low end UV, and high end infrared light can still pass through for plant photosynthesis.
1:20-23 At this time, God intelligently designed all of the irreducible plant and animal species which live in the sea and fly in the air.
1:24-25 Next, God designed all of the land dwelling species in the animal kingdom, from the creepy microbes to the large dinosaurs to the primates.
1:26-31 Finally, God created mankind in His own image. Humans were given dominion over nature, emotions, intelligence, and a soul.
Genesis Old Earth Creation:
In the beginning God created the multiverse and this universe. This universe was without form and void and the Spirit was hovering over space-time. Then god said "let there be a big bang and tons of electromagnetic radiation" and it happened! Then he said "let there be matter within the space-time" and "let the matter separate out into planets and galaxies within the space-time" and it happened. Next he said let there be RNA and single celled photosynthesizing organisms and let there be fusion in the stars, and it was so! Then he said let the cells gradually turn into plants and animals of all kinds over millions of years, and it was so. Then he said, let's make man, the first intelligent life with rational thought, and chimps and dolphins too. And then it seemed like God was sleeping from man’s perspective because it was taking so long for evolution to happen from man's perspective, but really the Spirit is not sleeping but is still hovering around throughout the multiverse being completely undetectable to even the most sensitive scientific instruments.
Golden Secret Key:
heavens= multiverse
earth= universe
waters= space time
light= big bang of pure energy
firmament= energy coalescing into matter
land seperating out in the sea= matter forming planets and galaxies in space
lights in the the firmament of heaven= the process of star fusion
let the earth bring forth= start the evolutionary process on all planets
vegetation= the photosynthetic organisms in the evolutionary cycle
animal life= the organisms higher up in the food chain in the evolutionary cycle
man= intelligent life
Multiverse A-theism:
In the beginning a probability density created the multiverse and this universe. This universe was without form and void and the black hole was hovering over space-time. Then an instability point was reached via Hawking radiation causing a big bang and tons of electromagnetic radiation! And over eons of time there formed matter within the space-time and the matter separated out into planets and stars and galaxies within the space-time and it was good.
At about 8 billion years ABB (after big bang) the Earth was formed and there was RNA and single celled photosynthesizing organisms and there was fusion in the stars to the third generation, and it was good! Then, by the forces of evolution, the cells gradually turned into plants and animals of all kinds over millions of years. Then came man and the hominid species, the first intelligent life with the capability of rational thought, and mankind was to cultivate the Earth and conquer the forces of nature, and so it happened. And it seemed as though the rest of the universe was sleeping or non-evolved yet because it was taking so long for evolution to happen for the emergence of mankind and there was no other signs of life to be detected in the universe either, so mankind dreamed up the spiritual realm and gave up on the pursuit of knowledge for a millennium, which thereby plunged mankind into the depravity of the dark ages and nearly brought the complete extinction of all of humanity.
But, that was for a time, but by the sheer willpower of the few whom were rational and brave enough to speak out against this dogmatic Papal crimes against the human intellect the world has gained the freedom and the technical know-how to conquer the dark forces of extinction of our very own species. Our human salvation is completely within our own willpower and rational capabilities, but only if we continue to fight against the pure evils of human ignorance and the peer pressure of the dogmas and authority figures of past times can we come to know of an existence that is unbounded by presumption, of an existence where all things can be understood by scientific theories that have come purely by objective observations and are based on the sound foundations of mathematical rigor. In that existence, all things of physical nature can be understood under a grand unified theory, and all possibilities can be considered, weighed, and then decided upon by the consensus of the most elite of humanity as per was elected by the properly educated masses of the human race and that of all other intelligent beings in the universe.
Anonymous --
Every single one of these "arguments" has been refuted time and time again. These are just old, worn out creationist cliches. Is "Charley" a scientist? Is he engaged in research? Or just good at regurgitating the same old BS?
You can delete Charley, but that is only because you can't refute Charley without personally looking at the evidence ;-)
Except that I've already personally refuted half the "evidence" he presents in this very blog.
So that's why I deleted it. No need to have people waste 40 minutes watching 10 videos full of such bullshit.
They provided me with some entertainment last night... I laughed out loud when he defined e-vo-lu-tion. And then his description about why the light from stars appear to be billions of years old nearly made me piss myself. Krusty the Klown couldn't have done it better!
It was god who made you piss your pants! If you don't believe that, then god will make you do it again, but this time in public!
I'm praying to god right now that he'll make you do it! That's right, it will be when you least expect it.
Sorry. Didn't piss myself today troll. In fact, it's been a good long time since I have. Sounds like your God is pretty impotent to me. :(
Oh, it will come when you least expect it! Maybe next week, or maybe 50 years down the road. Trust me, god told me he would make you go in your pants.
And I predict that my god will make the sun rise sometime in the next 24 hours.
Ain't my god cool? And oh so much better than yours who can't even be bothered enough to pin something down to a timetable with 50 years....
They provided me with some entertainment last night... I laughed out loud when he defined e-vo-lu-tion. And then his description about why the light from stars appear to be billions of years old nearly made me piss myself. Krusty the Klown couldn't have done it better!
Multiverse A-theism:
In the beginning a probability density created the multiverse and this universe. This universe was without form and void and the black hole was hovering over space-time. Then an instability point was reached via Hawking radiation causing a big bang and tons of electromagnetic radiation! And over eons of time there formed matter within the space-time and the matter separated out into planets and stars and galaxies within the space-time and it was good.
At about 8 billion years ABB (after big bang) the Earth was formed and there was RNA and single celled photosynthesizing organisms and there was fusion in the stars to the third generation, and it was good! Then, by the forces of evolution, the cells gradually turned into plants and animals of all kinds over millions of years. Then came man and the hominid species, the first intelligent life with the capability of rational thought, and mankind was to cultivate the Earth and conquer the forces of nature, and so it happened. And it seemed as though the rest of the universe was sleeping or non-evolved yet because it was taking so long for evolution to happen for the emergence of mankind and there was no other signs of life to be detected in the universe either, so mankind dreamed up the spiritual realm and gave up on the pursuit of knowledge for a millennium, which thereby plunged mankind into the depravity of the dark ages and nearly brought the complete extinction of all of humanity.
But, that was for a time, but by the sheer willpower of the few whom were rational and brave enough to speak out against this dogmatic Papal crimes against the human intellect the world has gained the freedom and the technical know-how to conquer the dark forces of extinction of our very own species. Our human salvation is completely within our own willpower and rational capabilities, but only if we continue to fight against the pure evils of human ignorance and the peer pressure of the dogmas and authority figures of past times can we come to know of an existence that is unbounded by presumption, of an existence where all things can be understood by scientific theories that have come purely by objective observations and are based on the sound foundations of mathematical rigor. In that existence, all things of physical nature can be understood under a grand unified theory, and all possibilities can be considered, weighed, and then decided upon by the consensus of the most elite of humanity as per was elected by the properly educated masses of the human race and that of all other intelligent beings in the universe.
How entertaining. You certainly did seem quite patient with him. I found your blog via Bad Astronomy...though I have stopped by here before. Will frequent from now on, though!
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