Tuesday, August 22, 2006

Holy Armor

Are you planning on heading out into the world to tackle some evil atheists? If so, don't forget your Armor of God. I'm willing to bet that shield pillow is super fluffy to wrap around your ears to make extra sure you can keep out those deadly atheist weapons like logic.

Also be sure to stop by the "About Us" page. It's got some more gems like the new Christian math in which they affirm that there's 1 God that equals 3 (I've seen proofs for 2+2=5, but 1=3 is a new one to me).

They also assert that everything is created by God. So I wonder why they're the ones making the money...

13 comments:

TheBrummell said...

Ah, another SomethingAwful fan. Are you also a registered Forum Goon?

If you're new to SA, I highly recommend downloading and watching Lowtax's presentation to a group of undergraduates at the university of Illinois.

http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=3318

Remember, SA is the 7th largest forum community on the internet.

Jon Voisey said...

I didn't actually get this from SA. I found it through a livejournal group. I am familiar with SA though and have occasionally visited there and seen Lowtax's presentation before. However, I'm not inclined to pay to be a member of their forums. I waste more than enough time on others as it is.

Kym said...

Well, not all Christians are screaming idiots. I have my beliefs and they are mostly christian, but I don't let that get in the way of sound logic or reason. I don't let god become my answer for everything unexplaned; I look for real answers. Sadly, it seems, I am in the minority of christians in that respect.
I love your blog, so keep up the good work! Thanks!

Wayne said...

I am a Christian who also happens to be an Astronomy professor. I got onto this blog from Bad Astronomy because it deals with a lot of the anti-scientific garbage, both Christian and otherwise, that creates so many problems today. Lately, though, it seems like a lot of the posts have been just pointless Christian-bashing without any real connection to science or astronomy. You obviously have a right to say whatever you want on your own blog, but keep in mind that many Christians are on your side in many respects, and an antagonistic attitude towards all Christians only reinforces the "us vs. them" mentality at the root of much of the current anti-science.

Jon Voisey said...

Kym: I wanted to echo and add a bit to what Wayne just said. I don't really have anything against Christians or any other religion. What I do have something against is stupid Christians (or any other religion).

While you say it seems that you're in the minority, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Nearly 80% of the US population is christian but it's only a few really loud and dedicated nutcases making the whole faith look bad.

Overall, once Christianity ignores the nasty parts of the bible (which is what many churches do, while the ones earning everyone a bad name seem to have managed to ignore all the nice bits), then it's actually a pretty nice religion.

The one part of Wayne's post that I disagree with is that I'm "Christian-Bashing". Again, it's not aimed at Christians, but in idiocy in all it's forms, there's just an especially large number of Christians being idiots at the moment. But it's in no way limited to Christianity. If you pay attention, I've pointed out some idiocy with Kabbalah (Jewish), Muslim, and Scientology in the past. But given that, at least in the US, Christians are by far the dominant religion, it only follows that they're the ones that are going to get the short end of the mockery stick the most often.

So in reality, I don't target Christians, it just seems that way and there seems to be an unusually heightened sensitivity to such things as of late.

And if you really read all of my posts, you'll catch that I frequently try to argue against the "us vs. them" mentality.

Wayne said...

Thanks for responding, and I do recognize that your are not only targeting Christians. For the most part, I think you do a pretty good job of making the distiction of not attacking Christianity in general, and I think I do a pretty good job of not taking it personally. I posted here, but in fact the statement that really got me thinking about this was a couple of posts later when you said, "...he did what we'd all expect from Christians those with a severe delusion; he filed a lawsuit." (Sorry, the strikethrough of "Christians" was lost). In effect, the strikethrough pretty much says "Christians = people with a severe delusion". The post wasn't even about Christians, so it is hard to interpret it other than a general insult to Christians. I'm not asking you to pull any punches when you see stupidity in any form, but please don't lump me (and as you say, the majority of us) in with them.

The Ridger, FCD said...

It would be easier not to dump on the majority of Christians who are rational if they'd police their co-religionists themselves instead of muttering about how those folks aren't representative. And by "police" I mean speak up, loudly and publicly, denouncing the lies and the anti-science and the "making the whole faith look bad" by showing how they're aren't, in fact, representative. Otherwise, they're the ones who will look like the spokesmen...

Jon Voisey said...

wayne, I think the problem with the case you pointed out was a certain ambiguity in the writing. My meaning got lost. The only thing I meant to replace the word "Christians" was "those" whereas you took it as "those with a severe delusion." As I'd intended it, without strikethrough and word repacement, it would have read "Christians with a severe delusion" and was meant to still set aside the loud mouthed branch of Christians ruining the good name of many others.

Thus, why use strikethrough at all? It was really meant as a not-so-subtle reminder that, although it's certainly not the majority, these type of people seem to be far more prevalent amidst the Christian faith. At least as I see things from my seat here in the US.

Ridger: I whole heartedly agree with your comments. When moderate Christians sit by and let others negatively define the perceptions of their faith, I feel that they bear the blame as well.

Instead moderate Christians tend to sit back and take a "boys will be boys" attitude towards the funadmentalists. The only thing that I've noticed that will get them riled is a (percieved) attack on their faith in general. A great example of this is the Mt. Soledad cross. It's being played off as an attack on Christianity and the moderate Christians are up in arms, but sit idly by at other times.

Another example is the incident with Dr. Mirecki last November in which his comments were explicitly worded as an attack on fundamentalists, but even the moderates here in Kansas decided they wanted to feel insulted too and took it as a personal insult.

If moderates would really take a look at such incidents and realize that it's not an attack on faith itself, but only faith sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, and saved their energy to fight the hypocrites who think God's love is hating fags and abortion clinincs, then I think this country would be a much better place.

Wayne said...

I'm glad to know I was not parsing that sentence the way you intended, strikethrough gags can be a bit hard to decipher. I'd like to think that I'm not one of those who "sit by" while others make us look bad, but I understand the sentiment. For the most part, people have a right to believe what they want, and if their faith isn't strong enough to allow for an old Universe then I don't want to be the one to disalusion them altogether since many take an all-or-nothing approach to their interpretation of the Bible. At the same time, I teach the Big Bang, stellar evolution, and other secular ideas at a Christian university and try to model the attitude that scientific thought is not in conflict with faith. People can get their beliefs and interpretations so wrapped up with their faith that it's hard to attack one without attacking the other, and I can't model a Christian lifestyle while I'm seen to attack another's faith, so it puts us moderates in a very difficult situation. I promise to continue to promote the concept that the truth is not to be feared in the trenches of the Bible Belt, but you will be doing your part to help me by being as careful as possible not to alienate those I may send to your blog for the skeptical perspective.

Moosehead said...

This is the most telling part of that site:

American Girl Doll........$9.95
African–American Doll.....$9.95

The "American" doll is, you guessed it, white.

Jon Voisey said...

wayne, I think the problem with the case you pointed out was a certain ambiguity in the writing. My meaning got lost. The only thing I meant to replace the word "Christians" was "those" whereas you took it as "those with a severe delusion." As I'd intended it, without strikethrough and word repacement, it would have read "Christians with a severe delusion" and was meant to still set aside the loud mouthed branch of Christians ruining the good name of many others.

Thus, why use strikethrough at all? It was really meant as a not-so-subtle reminder that, although it's certainly not the majority, these type of people seem to be far more prevalent amidst the Christian faith. At least as I see things from my seat here in the US.

Ridger: I whole heartedly agree with your comments. When moderate Christians sit by and let others negatively define the perceptions of their faith, I feel that they bear the blame as well.

Instead moderate Christians tend to sit back and take a "boys will be boys" attitude towards the funadmentalists. The only thing that I've noticed that will get them riled is a (percieved) attack on their faith in general. A great example of this is the Mt. Soledad cross. It's being played off as an attack on Christianity and the moderate Christians are up in arms, but sit idly by at other times.

Another example is the incident with Dr. Mirecki last November in which his comments were explicitly worded as an attack on fundamentalists, but even the moderates here in Kansas decided they wanted to feel insulted too and took it as a personal insult.

If moderates would really take a look at such incidents and realize that it's not an attack on faith itself, but only faith sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, and saved their energy to fight the hypocrites who think God's love is hating fags and abortion clinincs, then I think this country would be a much better place.

Kym said...

Well, not all Christians are screaming idiots. I have my beliefs and they are mostly christian, but I don't let that get in the way of sound logic or reason. I don't let god become my answer for everything unexplaned; I look for real answers. Sadly, it seems, I am in the minority of christians in that respect.
I love your blog, so keep up the good work! Thanks!

Jon Voisey said...

I didn't actually get this from SA. I found it through a livejournal group. I am familiar with SA though and have occasionally visited there and seen Lowtax's presentation before. However, I'm not inclined to pay to be a member of their forums. I waste more than enough time on others as it is.